The Virginia Flaggers want to have history both ways...

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Kill his own people? I thought the South seceded, and created their own country? Remember, the whole "invasion narrative"? Neo-Confederates want to have it both ways whenever it's convenient for them. Sorry, doesn't work that way. Your ancestors were traitors. They fired on the United States and reaped what they sowed. 





Restoring the honor!





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  1. I guess you just assumed they were talking about Southerners not the over 300,000 Union soldiers killed by Lincoln. And I doubt you have ever told a Southerner to his face his family were traitors.

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    1. 1) We both know that's bullshit.

      2) Why would I do that? My ancestor, who voluntarily joined the Confederacy, was absolutely a traitor.

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  2. Lincoln considered the people he made war on "his" people. He believed the Southern states were still part of the Union. Therefore, he killed his own people.

    In reality, Confederates were enemies of the union, not traitors, because once they politically seceded, they no longer owed allegiance to the union. Just as Gen. Tojo and Adm. Yamamoto were enemies of, not traitors to, the USA, so were Confederates enemies, not traitors.

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    1. The discussion isn't about how Lincoln viewed Southern people, it is about how Southerners viewed themselves. Our ancestors symbolically withdrew from the Union because they despised it for having the gall to mess with their "rights" to own other human beings as property. The plantations of the South depended on feee labor. Our ancestors seceded, and allegedly formed a new Nation because they loved America soooooo much. The Union killed traitors. There would have been no war had it not been for the South. Lincoln wanted and urged no war. He asked for those who wished to withdraw to remain calm. They ignored his warnings, confiscated property that legally did not belong to them and fired on their own government. Today, if someone fires on our government, that's considered domestic terrorism. That's exactly what they were, domestic terrorists. They reaped what they sowed.

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    2. And yet Connie the south fired the first shots, took control of federal property all over the south even before some states seceded. Care to discuss whose war this was?

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    3. Connie, if confederate soldiers were not the countrymen to Union soldiers they cannot be considered US Soldiers today.

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  3. Old son you are wrong on so many levels. As I said i doubt you have ever told a Southerner to their face that their family were traitors You prove how brave you are by remaining anonymous. To label a soldier a traitor because he fought against an invading army is dishonest and stupid. The CSA had a government, army,navy and the things that normal people would agree constitutes a country. Its real easy 150 years after the fact to judge those people by todays standards but its dishonest. I truly feel sorry for you, someone who has no more respect for his family than you do.
    I fought in Afghanistan will I be denounced and defamed 150 years from now because I fought a war that some people thought was unjust? If so I pray they're people like myself and Connie to stand up for my good name.

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    1. No Jessie, you're wrong.

      1) I tend to avoid confrontations, so there's no reason for me to do that. Why would I provoke someone like that?

      2) I remain anonymous for several reasons. Mostly to avoid inevitable harassment by Heritage types. If you'd like an example, go check out the Twitter account @goadzill_a

      3) The so-called invasion of the South came after the unlawful seizure of US government property. It came after the firing on US forces in Charleston harbor at Ft. Sumter (unprovoked might I add). Not to mention by y'all's own cute admission that Southerners who were killed by US forces were US citizens (a direct contradiction of yourselves when convenient for your argument.)

      4) I have plenty of respect for my own family, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize when they're wrong.

      5) At the end of the day, if you truly believe in peace and humanity, all wars are unjust. Are wars necessary? They can be. I'll let history and facts judge which ones are justified and which aren't.

      6) That's assuming you have a good name. I'm not convinced. Fighting in a war does not make one a "good person". Plenty of shitty people fought for our country in wars. I'll make no judgement on your character because I know nothing about you.

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    2. I am not anonymous and I will say it...southerners were Traitors and I question the loyalty of those neo-confederates who served in our military...like you.

      Your "fighting" in Afghanistan is not the same type of conflict that 1861 was...try and understand that.

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    3. Is that all you can ever say to me...are you incapable of debating me?

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  4. Well RBLEE, you got one thing right ,". The Union killed traitors. "

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    1. Look its Neo-Nazi Clint...gone full-on racist now eh?

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