What can the Heritage movement do about racists?


Confederate Heritage activists discuss how to deal with Nazis who hide behind "Heritage". (Image courtesy of Facebook)



Can't you feel the sincerity folks? I know I can. But seriously, what can the Heritage movement do about racists and hate group members from "infiltrating" their groups? Well, to hear them tell it, nothing. Of course, we all know that's not true. For starters, how about shunning folks who you know do not honor the Confederate soldier through their actions, words, behavior and associations, like perhaps David Randall? That is of course, unless you believe that Randall honors the Confederate soldier when he says things like he would "shoot a nigger dead".




(Image courtesy of Facebook)




Folks, I'm sorry, we'd love to have it both ways, but we just can't. The Heritage movement is going to have to decide if they want to support this kind of nonsense or not, and change their ways accordingly. Don't get me wrong folks, we'd be more than happy to sit by and watch them go down with the ship, and after November, we probably will anyway, but that doesn't mean that they can't head for the lifeboats now to save themselves. The Heritage movement can't afford to continue moving forward, business as usual as it always has. The next time Dennis Durham for instance, shows up at one of your rallies handing out hate group propaganda, it would probably be a good idea if y'all got up off your big fat butts and did something about it, that is, of course unless you want the record to show that you're complicit in helping to spread white nationalism.





This is a good first step, but will they follow through? (Image courtesy of Facebook)





Let's be clear folks, nothing is being hijacked. If the Heritage movement wants to prove me wrong, then lets see some action, because they haven't shown me anything.





Restoring the honor!





Comments

  1. Folks, I'm thrilled that they are at least having this discussion, but we have no way of knowing if they mean it or not. Personally, I'm going to take the optimistic view, which is that it's starting to sink in that they might have a problem. Lets hope we are now at stage 2, where they are collectively trying to figure out what to do about the problem. It's really not that hard. Don't give these folks a platform. Can they physically remove them from their rallies? Probably not, but they sure as hell can organize against this type of baloney and make their lives uncomfortable. Folks, knowing what we now know, I would expect that in the future instead of seeing a white nationalists hands all over their flag, you're going to hear reports of chastising and ostracizing of these types of folks. Only time will tell, but we will be watching and taking note.

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    1. None of your business to judge whether they mean it or not.

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    2. Oh, so you didn't mean it. That's what I thought.

      Otherwise you might apply some effort outside of a FB post to save Confederate heritage from the tint of white supremacy and bigotry.

      Then again, that means you would have to denounce yourself.

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    3. The tint of white supremacy and bigotry on Confederate Heritage exists mostly in the imagination and/or false witness of people like you and Jacob.

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    4. Simpson, you object to my saying you are assassinating your intellect, but when you deliberately dumb-down what you say in order to proclaim that "whether they mean it or not" is the same thing as "so you don't meant it" you are assassinating your intellect in order to wield the put down.

      I've done nothing to denounce myself about. When you denounce yourself for bearing false witness and writing fraudulent book reviews, maybe I'll revisit this....

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    5. Jacob, the heritage movement owes you no proof, no explanation, nothing. Nothing.

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    6. "The tint of white supremacy and bigotry on Confederate Heritage exists mostly in the imagination and/or false witness of people like you and Jacob." - Don't forget the words and actions of the heritage folk, too.

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  2. They don't mean it. Look at Chastain's ranting on this blog. To have her tell it, her FB friends are a random assortment of people she doesn't know and who just happen to include white supremacists who are also Confederate heritage advocates.

    Look at how many times we see Susan Hathaway embracing folks who turn out to be white supremacists.

    It's no accident.

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    1. That's a very good point. The easiest thing they can do is just to be vocal about their opposition. Has anyone ever seen any kind of opposition from these folks online? I haven't. Chastain can leave 50 comments a day at my blog opposing my anti-racism stance, but she can't leave one single comment at the White Lives Matter page when she's claiming that she opposes them? Something smells rotten in Denmark. They are going to have to do better than this if they want the public to believe them.

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    2. That's how it started out, Simpson. Most of my friends at first were authors I didn't know and had never heard of. Ditto heritage folks. It's a big movement. Can't know everybody personally.

      And you know what? Most people don't come up to you the first time you meet, extend a hand and say, "Hi, I'm Brooks and I'm a white supremacist...."

      Your use of the term "embrace" is lying, and you lie about Susan nonstop.

      Jacob, you obviously have not seen all my posts at Facebook, or all of any heritage supporter's Facebook posts. Or maybe you do see them but basically ignore those that don't fit with the hate-crap you are peddling....

      I don't know anything about white lives matter groups, Jacob, except that I haven't seen them reported as having burned down any towns, etc. When they start doing that, when they start being as destructive assorted leftist groups, I will deplore their actions.

      Glad to know you and Simpson think white lives don't matter, though.

      Oh, and 2/3 of the public believe the Confederate flag represents Southern Pride, not racism, per CNN poll taken after the Charleston shooting. You need to open the tiny groove your mind is in and see the big picture.

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    3. Connie, you're missing the point. Your ideologies are similar enough to Klansmen and Nazis that even if you don't put on a robe and burn crosses (and I'm not saying either way), y'all still believe all the same crap. Folks, go look up "white genocide" in Google. Consider who is posting stories about "white genocide" and then remember that Connie is an adherent of this false conspiracy theory which originated with white supremacists. The longer y'all delay making a change, the worse it's going to be for your movement. Suit yourselves, it's y'all's choice.

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    4. "Jacob, you obviously have not seen all my posts at Facebook, or all of any heritage supporter's Facebook posts. Or maybe you do see them but basically ignore those that don't fit with the hate-crap you are peddling...."

      Great point. Why are you hiding them from me? Folks, she's so full of shit, because if her Facebook posts vindicated her as being the opposite of what we are proving her to be, it doesn't make any logical sense why she wouldn't want us to see them.

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    5. Chastain's struggling again. She's had problems pointing out how the evidence of Susan Hathaway's associations constitutes "lying." Note that the evidence is provided by the Flaggers and their associates.

      Her failure to develop persuasive arguments and not her health explains why she doesn't blog, because her health does not prevent her from posting blog-length comments here. Perhaps someone told her that she's ineffective as a defender of Confederate heritage.

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    6. We hide things from liars and haters like you because you lie about them, bear false witness about them, as I have proved. We don't hide them from people who are honest and above board.

      Lessay my ideology has 10 points -- for illustration purposes -- and KKK ideology has 10 points, and one of mine and one of theirs is the same. Your bearing false witness includes focusing on the one similarity and totally ignoring the nine dissimilarities.

      I first encountered the term "white genocide" from somebody in South Africa who was writing about the horrific murders of white farmers. (I visited some SA websites because two of the stock models I used on my book covers were South Africans and I basically knew nothing about the country. Oh, and because Jonathan Butler is from SA.) I saw nothing of "white supremacy" in those posts. I guess you think the murders of the white farmers isn't all that awful, huh?

      You are saying that white genocide, or the desire for it, does not exist anywhere in the world, and because some white supes believe in it, it cannot possibly be true? And how do we know it ORIGINATED with white supes? Wait, don't tell me. The SPLC sez so. The SPLC is even worse than you at bearing false witness, Jacob.




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    7. The similarity between my ideologies and those of klansmen and Nazis, exist either in your fevered imagination, or else in your bearing of false witness.

      How quickly you forget my long, long conversation with Brad Griffin....

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    8. Folks, again it makes no sense. Why would we need to lie about then if we found out that they'd been secretly fighting racism in private all this time. Connie, you're just being silly now. We know the real reason they're on lockdown.

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    9. Oh my God folks, South Africa has murder just like every other country in the planet. It's a conspiracy. It's the Jews. OMG! OMG!

      Folks, white genocide doesn't exist, but white suicide does. Folks who believe in this are just butthurt over their own failures in life. That's pretty much the M.O. of white supremacy. Victim! Victim!

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    10. Chastain once more discredits herself. Amazing how we can rely on that.

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    11. We hide them because people like you lie about them, Jacob. And you do, I have just proved it.

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    12. All those thousands of white farmers in SA committed suicide... Jacob, you've been wallowing in your race hatred for so long, you're making yourself crazy....

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    13. Simpson, you'd have to possess the ability of mindread to know "they don't mean it." You are stating an opinion as fact based on your deliberate manipulation of what they say. A practice you've relentlessly pursued at your hate-blog re: the VaFlaggers for over four years...

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    14. Amazing how Simpson claims something but doesn't identify what he's talking about. I haven't discredited myself, Simpson. And I've proved you and Jacob have borne false witness.

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    15. Simpson, a Facebook "friend" isn't necessarily an associate (most of them aren't). Showing up the same photo as someone else is not an association. If you think they are, then I wonder how you got your degrees and professorship....

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    16. Jacob, it is not the mission of Southern heritage to fight racism.

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    17. We're well aware. Y'all don't care about these folks using your rag, you just want people to believe that you do, and that you are poor, helpless victims.

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    18. You don't know what we care and don't care about. You project your hallucinations on us. That's what you see when you look at us. Your hallucinations.

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    19. Thus your trippy profile pictures? LOL.

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    20. Chastain failed to notice that the pictures of Susan Hathaway associated with Stone Mountain (and Steven Monk) come from different events. Check when she has boots and when she doesn't.

      Again, stupidity or dishonesty ... or both. What a choice.

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    21. Simpson, that does not negate what I said, and you know it. The fact remains, Jacob (and you) are bearing false witness by implying that Susan being in a couple of photos Monk is in means she knew about his KKK promotion on VK.

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    22. Jacob, the posts hidden from you are about heritage ... only YOU think these folks should ignore heritage focus on "anti-racism." And if they don't, you will claim the focus on heritage racism and white supremacy, because that is what you live for ... to drum up hate for people who don't march in mental lock-step with you.

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    23. Susan Hathaway is free to explain her presence in those picutrs and her exchanges with Mr. Monk. We can wait.

      You are free to explain your relationship with Mr. Monk. We can wait.

      Finally, why do you think Hathaway finds herself next to all these bigots and racists? Is she an idiot? Doesn't she understand how she's doing her own cause harm? Surely you do. Aren't you helping her?

      Let's stipulate that you're right. My, then, how badly have the Flaggers mishandled the need to disassociate themselves from such people? What's wrong with them? Why attack the people who highlight these ties instead of the racists, bigots, child porn fans, and rapists around them?

      It's a diservice to Confederate heritgae, that's what it is. And you're partly to blame for that.

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  3. Jacob, what makes your anti-racist jackassery so deplorable, to borrow a Hillaryism, is that you are more upset about somebody saying things like he would "shoot a nigger dead", although he hasn't done so, and there's no indication he actually would, and the number of white on black murders is statistically very small -- but thousands of blacks have shot blacks, and continue to shoot blacks dead -- roughly 3,200 Every. Six. Months. And you never speak out about it, never issue a denunciation of it.

    So you deplore ugly "white" words but never even mention the actual murder of blacks by blacks which a tremendous number, happening relentlessly, Every. Single. Year.

    This is another thing that blows your credibility to smithereens. You don't care about blacks, you don't care about helping them, you don't care about stopping the carnage ... you just want to screech about "white racism" which comprises, basially, words and pictures on the flippin' Internet. You are all show, no substance.

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    1. Did David get s haircut? I think I saw a photo of him Flagging, but it looked like he changed his appearance, this of course was shortly after his social media account suddenly disappeared. I think it's safe to say folks that if we see him out flagging again, the movement will have accepted his comment. Folks, we're making such headway, I hope they don't revert back to the old way of doing things. We're so close to converting them into SJW's.

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    2. Lame. Very lame. And not a rebuttal to my charges against you.

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  4. Susan Hathaway is a joke she hides everything and her true colors

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