Stumped: Connie Chastain goes silent on the Nazi question?

Should be a no brainer, but... (Image courtesy of Blogger)




Folks, I'm hoping that she's just making dinner, or watching paint dry, or getting a root canal....





Restoring the honor!




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  1. Nope. Never want to see Nazism rise again. Don't wanna see a Fourth Reich. Now, point to anything I've ever written that makes you think I do.

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    1. See, that wasn't so bad. You and I agree on something. So moving on from that, how do WE stop the Nazis from rising to power again? More importantly, how can the two of us work together to rid the Heritage movement of those who wish to bring dishonor to your honorable cause?

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    2. I never said that you did. I was asking to find out how you felt about the Nazis because we'd never discussed your feelings on them before. I'm happy to see that like myself, you never want to see the Nazis rise to power again. Can I ask you a question then? How does this photo make you feel. Please, be honest:

      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VuvqtQ1RDVY/V5FIARNcGAI/AAAAAAAAKqc/X_w9UMZMkmMKqruTiGzdNnpzhcocWZeqACLcB/s1600/CmE6XAnVAAEW_by.jpg-large.jpeg

      I know how it makes me feel, and I'm not ashamed to tell you. It makes me angry. Angry because Matthew Heimbach portrays himself as this lovable, cuddly, little fuzzy "separatist". But I'd like to know how seeing that burning swastika makes you feel, if at all?

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    3. We agree on something. Good lord, who DOESN'T agree? Who do you imagine wants to see Nazism rise again? I mean besides a few at society's margins, who have absolutely no power, money, intellect to bring it off? Out of the 318 million Americans, Jacob, how many do you estimate want to see Nazism rise again?

      You're a liar, Jacob. I'd never work with you on anything. I would not ever, ever trust you, about anything. You don't care about the heritage movement. You'd destroy it in a eyeblink if you could. In fact, I think that's part of what your recent, childish, frenetic preoccupation with these loser Nazis is for ... to use it to smear heritage. Because that's exactly what you are doing.

      I think the burning cross is lurid, but that's a cognitive assessment, not an emotional one. I'm not as easily emotionally manipulated as you are. Emotions should be subordinate to cognition. They should not be used as a guide for action or decision making.

      Your problem, it seems, is not the burning swastika, but lovable, cuddly, little fuzzy "separatist" Matt Heimbach. I figured a lot of your great gusts of anger and hysteria had a personal component. Did you know him when he was in Baltimore? Did y'all have some kind of relationship and then a falling out? Do you disapprove of his racist pursuits, or are you just jealous of them?

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    4. "Who do you imagine wants to see Nazism rise again?"

      Did you look at the photo? Do you think that any of the folks in front of the burning swastika would like to see the nazis rise again?

      "Out of the 318 million Americans, Jacob, how many do you estimate want to see Nazism rise again?"

      Even if the answer is 10, we both agree that we don't want to see the Nazis rise again, so why are you trying to derail my efforts to make sure that it never gets to 11? I can't understand your logic.

      "I think that's part of what your recent, childish, frenetic preoccupation with these loser Nazis is for ... to use it to smear heritage. Because that's exactly what you are doing."

      Oh, I see. Smear. Did I give these guys your "sacred rag"?

      https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GB3fHUVz3Qg/V7u1acp6s4I/AAAAAAAALUs/2iQdvSZO9ds8WAdnXXJ_3oQ8XUlLaBICQCLcB/s1600/14034819_1061646593911380_1040600359583263826_n%2Bcopy.jpg

      Am I the one who made this guy go stand behind your "sacred rag"?

      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wxwvzSjyBWw/V7u0nx4YK4I/AAAAAAAALUo/KLMgmsctYKcRfFlN5LYUbANTqLUe-wIXACLcB/s1600/Wolf%2BOdinson.tiff

      You're just being silly now.

      "Your problem, it seems, is not the burning swastika, but lovable, cuddly, little fuzzy "separatist" Matt Heimbach."

      Wrong. I have a problem with both.

      "Did you know him when he was in Baltimore?"

      Nope. Sure didn't. But I can still recall that day I first heard him lying his ass off on the radio. Yeah, next time you look at that photo of Matthew smiling next to the Flaggers, just remember that he's the reason this blog even exists. Now why won't y'all denounce him again?


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    5. He's no longer a Flagger factor. He came, he saw, he apparently knew he couldn't recruit from them, so he left and has never been back. To my knowledge, the only one who hasn't moved on (besides you) -- the only one still trying to hurt the flaggers with it, is Brooks Simpson.

      I think your crusade against these pathetic jokers is itself a joke. Have at it, I don't care what you do. But use it to try to trash or harm heritage, I will oppose you.

      As for the guys in the photo, who knows what they think? Who knows what their concept of Nazism is? Who knows their motives? The pic can't tell you that, you have to make it up yourself.

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    6. "I think your crusade against these pathetic jokers is itself a joke. Have at it, I don't care what you do. But use it to try to trash or harm heritage, I will oppose you."

      How am I using it to trash your Heritage by pointing out the movements silence when NAZIS are trashing your Heritage by linking themselves to it? I'd love to believe that y'all hate it when they do that but I have seen no evidence that you do. You've not pointed out a single instance where the Heritage community has done anything about it. Racists wrap themselves in Heritage all of the time. Look at David Randall, he recently said he'd shoot a nigger dead, will he be ostracized from the Heritage community, or is that the kind of talk y'all want defining who you are as people?

      "As for the guys in the photo, who knows what they think? Who knows what their concept of Nazism is? Who knows their motives? The pic can't tell you that, you have to make it up yourself."

      Seriously? You don't know what people who take selfies in front of burning swastikas think? How dumb do you think the world is? See, there you go again, digging your own hole. Be honest, you know what they think, it's just more convenient for you to pretend you don't.

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  2. Since you've been asking questions, let me have my turn.

    I saw online a meme of a Nazi, or a neoNazi, or whatever they are, with the text "No white guilt." Now, do you automatically assume that anyone who rejects white guilt is a Nazi?

    I reject the notion of white privilege. Do you think that makes me a Nazi?

    Just what makes a Nazi to you?

    We've already seen on this blog that some people deem others racists just for talking about race. Is that what you think racism is, talking about race? Or do you think it is racism depending on who is discussing it? If Dimmy mentions race, he's not a racist, but if I mention it I am? Just because I'm the one who mentioned it?

    Exactly what is your criteria for determining what despicable whatever somebody is?

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    1. I don't have any reason to believe you're a Nazi, nor have I ever claimed that you were. What makes a Nazi to me? Pretty fucking clearly, a guy who gets a tattoo of a swastika and Nazi code numbers 14/88 on his arm is a Nazi, wouldn't you concede?

      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wxwvzSjyBWw/V7u0nx4YK4I/AAAAAAAALUo/KLMgmsctYKcRfFlN5LYUbANTqLUe-wIXACLcB/s1600/Wolf%2BOdinson.tiff

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    2. Not necessarily. Clothes, outward appearance, tattoos and such don't really tell you what they think and believe. If they think and believe Nazi philosophy, that would be more convincing to me. The clothes and tatts could be to outwardly proclaim beliefs, of they could be to piss off his old lady, or to make himself unemployable, or any number of other reasons.

      You need to expand your mind, Jacob. Get it out of the groove.

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    3. Get the hell out of here. No rational person would reach that conclusion. You're just being dumb now. A swastika tattoo is absolutely an indication of ideology, especially when in the presence of other Nazis at a rally organized by an openly Nazi group, in front of a black Civil Rights organization, while claiming "White Lives Matter" when the entire world already knows they do.

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    4. It's not an irrational conclusion that some people use outward appearance -- clothes, tatts, jewelry -- for shock value. Do you mean to say you don't believe that could happen?

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    5. No, but that is less likely to be the case in this situation due to the other factors I also listed. Pay attention. I have reasonably concluded he is a Nazi because I weighed the available evidence together. Are you telling me you don't think he is? If so, perhaps you'll explain your rationale, as I did mine.

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    6. I don't think he is or isn't. I don't CARE, either.

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    7. So you have no opinion based on the available evidence? Is that for convenience?

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    8. No. He's just not relevant to me.

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  3. An additional question. Why are you so focused on Nazism, but you ignore communism, which was far more lethal in the 20th century.

    Soviet Union, 61,000,000 murdered.
    Communist China, 73,237,000 murdered.
    Korea, 3,163,000 murdered.
    Cambodia, 7,000,000 murdered.

    And those are just the mega murderers. Communism killed a lot more than that.

    Do you think the people the Nazis killed were more important than the people the communists killed? If not, what is the discrepancy in your interest based on?

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    1. Connie, before I can contemplate the answer to your question, where do your numbers come from? What is your source?

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    2. USSR, https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

      China, Korea, http://www.scottmanning.com/content/communist-body-count/

      Cambodia, https://www.google.com/search?q=Pol+Pot%27s+death+toll&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

      I would have used Rummel for all, but his website is too involved and complex to find something quick. He is referenced in the scottmanning site, though.

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    3. You have to know the numbers to know why you put more importance, or at least more attention, on the lives taken by Nazis?

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    4. That doesn't answer the question. Why must you always deflect?

      Let's be clear about something, I am not a Communist, don't identify as a Communist, and am certainly not repping for Communism. That being said, I'm giving you an opportunity to try and prove a point, but you're not answering the question. Do you want my answer, or are you just wasting my time?

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    5. What doesn't answer the question? YOu asked where I got the numbers. I posted links to where I got them. HOw is that deflecting?

      I don't need any points proved. I just asked a question about your skewed attention that I happen to be curious about. If you don't wanna say why, just say you don't wanna say why.

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    6. Yes, I see. Well first, let's quote right from Rummel to start, shall we?

      "Of course, eventhough systematically determined and calculated, all these figures and their graph are only rough approximations."

      Wait? What? "Rough approximations"?

      "With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these."

      So let's make sense out of that. First we have to understand these are rough approximations, and once we have that down, Rummel can convincingly tell us what "appear to be" totals. "Apparently"? Wha-wha-wha-what? I've gotta get some sleep, but I'd say you're off to a "rough" start.

      We can pick back up tomorrow.

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    7. BTW, Jacob, I thought "I never said I do. Ever." answered the question. I guess elementary mentalities have to have it spelled out simple....

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    8. So you have to know exactly how many the commies killed to decide whether their lives were as valuable as the ones the Nazis killed?

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    9. "So let's make sense out of that. First we have to understand these are rough approximations, and once we have that down..."

      Communist Holocaust Denial

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    10. Actually no. But the starting point has to be with factual information.

      I think whether you are discussing the Jewish Holocaust, or the Communist Holocaust, or any Holocaust, it does no good to discuss "approximate" or "alleged" facts. I'm not going to wade into a discussion like that. So far, the 61 million number is the only one I've even taken time to look into (been busy), but that number isn't even set in stone. Now if you want to discuss facts, go find some.

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    11. Run hide, Jacob, so you won't have to admit that you believe the lives the Nazis took were superior, more important, than the lives Mao and the Bolsheviks took.

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