Sons of Confederate Veterans supporters do what any Gentleman would do and disobey the law

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These guys apparently plan to put the Government in it's place by bucking the system! By golly, they're going to show them who's boss. OK. We'll see. 



"One Suffolk man said he’s not giving up his Sons of Confederate Veterans license plates after Virginia DMV issued a redesigned plate in response to court decisions.
“My ancestors fought and died for that flag,” said Kevin Collier, a member of the Stonewall Camp. “I haven’t turned in my plates. I don’t plan on turning in my plates. I’ll go to jail before I turn them in.”"




Have it your way.





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Make popcorn. 





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Restoring the honor!



Comments

  1. You just can't post ANYthing without lying, can you? He's not breaking any law. The General Assembly passed a law in 1999 authorizing the SCV plates. It has passed no new law prohibiting them. This is usurpation by the governor and the Dept of Motor Vehicles, who do not make laws. Get it, liar? It is abuse of power by Gov. McAuliffe and the bureaucracy.

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    1. So, let me get this straight. He's sent a letter from the DMV (a Government agency I believe) in which the DMV asks him to surrender the old tags (which he refuses to do). The DMV tells him that he has 30 days to comply. So here is how I see it. He was provided new tags. Do not forget that driving a motor vehicle is a privilege, not a right. Where do you see this headed? I'll tell you what I foresee, a standoff. He will most likely continue not to comply with a perfectly sensible request. What will probably come next is more letters, time, and warnings. Next will probably come fines (which he'll likely refuse to pay). That will probably go on for a while until what? You realize those tags do not belong to him, right? You don't OWN the tags, they are leased to you on a temporary basis (which can be rescinded) to afford you the privilege of driving a motor vehicle. I'd have to ask, "Do you like the privilege of driving?"

      Let me tell you a story. My Mother-in-law is what you might call "very Christian". I'd just call her completely brainwashed. She has told me on numerous occasions that she will not convert to the new chipped bank and credit cards because it is "the mark of the best". I kid you not. She really believes that just like she believes Scotty is going to magically beam her up to Heaven any day now. I asked her, "How do you plan on getting gas for your car, etc.? What if all currency is electronic?" Her reply was a blank stare. It's these types of irrational attitudes that set up stupid scenarios like this. Ok, you big babies don't like the new tags. Ok, fine. I get that, I really do. You like the old style. Why can't you just have those? Why is it that you feel you are "owed" something? One thing I've learned in life is that it's not fair. Another is that you're not going to out-Government the Government. Personally, I think you guys should just cut it out. You look like little whiny babies all the time. Look at Tripp crying about people "Settin in jail". Look, if you're not happy with the SCV, vote with your feet. But stop running around making silly "Anonymous" personalities and making complete fools out of yourselves.

      The point is, Southerners have shown time and time again they have no respect for the law. Southerners have giant chips on their shoulders and feel they have to answer to no one for anything. Well, I think Southerners are wrong. I think you are making a serious miscalculation. We saw how this worked out for you the first time, and you had relatively comparable weaponry. You and I may not live long enough to see it, but if there is a repeat of the WBTS, the outcome will be the same. This is a no win proposition for you. But you guys do what you must, you're going to show them who's boss. Well, don't let me stop you.

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    2. That should read "Beast" not "Best".

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    3. There have been no laws passed rescinding the 1999 law authorizing the SCV plate. There is no such law in the Virginia statutes, so he is not breaking any law. Neither the DMV nor Governor McAuliffe have the authority to make laws.

      THE LEGISLATURE MAKES LAWS. NOT THE DMV. NOT THE GOVERNOR. The legislature has made no law mandating that those plates be turned in. He cannot be breaking a law that does not exist. If you think such a law exists, cite its address in the Virginia statutes. I don't mean a flippin' letter from the DMV. I mean a law duly passed by the legislature and signed by the governor that is now a part of the Virginia code. If you cannot do that, stop saying this man is breaking the law.

      People like you, McAuliffe and the DMV confuse bullying with law. They are making up this phony regulation based on anti-Confederate hysteria in order to bully people. That's the way it was last time; that's the way it always is.

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    4. So now we have some insight into why you are such a hater. Haters of Christianity are the worst, deepest and most virulent haters of all.

      The mark of the beast, and nearly everything else in Revelation, is symbolism; but do you know what? I don't think God will hold it against your mother-in-law if she conceptualizes it literally.

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    5. How did you extrapolate hate of Christianity out of my belief that it's silly? I don't hate Christianity, I don't hate Christians, I don't hate Jews, I don't hate Muslims. Just because I find religion silly doesn't mean that I hate it. I have plenty, PLENTY of Christian friends, family, and co-workers. I don't push my beliefs on them or expect them to think like me. I have my opinions on it, but I don't hate it. I don't even hate you. I don't care for your political views, but I don't hate you. If I saw someone knock you down in the street, I'd help you, because I don't lack compassion.

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    6. So are you telling me that if the DMV tells him to return the plates he is not compelled by law to comply?

      Who is talking about them being prohibited? Not me.

      The old design is gone. There is a new plate. He's welcome to join every one who made a sensible decision, or he could choose (and it looks like he's going to) to TRY and buck the system. That's only going to fly for so long before he realizes it's stupid and he's not going to win. But whatever. Go for it. Knock yourself out. I'll just sit back and get LULZ.

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    7. By the way, I should clarify, my use of "the law" in the title was not a reference to a specific law or statute. I was referring to Government as "the law". Basically, I am referring to his belief that he's just going to do whatever he feels like. I say go for it dude. I'm cheering you on. When he ends up "Settin in jail" as some might say, circle back around to this post. I won't even say "I told you so."

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    8. Government that requires something without authorization by law is BULLYING. It is abuse of power, pure and simple. This license plate thing is McAuliffe's overkill in Nikki Haley's war on Confederate heritage. There was no such requirement before that. McAuliffe made it up out of whole cloth ON WHIM. It is abuse of power.

      So you don't like Southern defiance, huh? LOL...

      Oh, I'm a good old rebel
      Now thats just what I am
      And for this yankee nation
      I do not give a damn.
      I'm glad I fit against 'er
      I only wish we'd won
      I ain't asked no pardon
      For anything I've done.

      Or, in the words of one yankee (some of them did get it)....

      “If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” ― Samuel Adams

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    9. Do you believe that he owns this license plate? If so, why can't he affix a sticker to the tag anywhere he wishes and display it that way?

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    10. Not the point. That license plate he has is authorized by a law passed in 1999 by the Virginia General Assembly; no new law un-authorizing it has been passed. Frankly, it is the governor and the DMV that are trying to circumvent or nullify the law with their regulation based on antiConfederate whim.

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    11. If you believe that, then go read the Code of Virginia.

      "§ 46.2-713. License plates and decals remain property of Department.
      Every license plate and decal issued by the Department shall remain the property of the Department and shall be subject to be revoked, cancelled, and repossessed by the Department at any time as provided in this title.

      Code 1950, § 46-98; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-102; 1972, c. 609; 1989, c. 727 ."

      http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter6/section46.2-713/

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    12. Not the point? The man received a letter from the State that told him that he has 30 days to comply with their request and he has apparently decided to willfully disobey their request. I'll ask you again, do you think he owns that license plate? We go through these scenarios all of the time where you Southerners talk a real big game about what you're going to do, but let's face it, when you're faced with doing time in jail over a stupid license plate, most people (but not all) will eventually capitulate. Wait and see.

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    13. You mean this law?:

      § 46.2-746.22. Special license plates; members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
      On receipt of an application therefor and written evidence that the applicant is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the Commissioner shall issue special license plates to members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. No logo or emblem of any description shall be displayed or incorporated into the design of license plates issued under this section.

      1999, c. 902.

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    14. Btw, I have made no anonymous personalities. I use two id's online, my married name and my maiden name, but everyone online who knows me knows they are both me. I don't hide behind anonymity like you and Liberty Lamp and all you "antifa" Bozos. But because SOME of us have done it, have mimicked the Anonymous hacker group, you attribute it to all of us ... and not just anonymity. You do this with everything you find worthy of criticism -- attribute it to everyone, not just those who do it. You get mad when people impute the criminality of black criminals to all blacks, but you do the same thing with heritage -- Simpson does, too, all you floggers and floggerette "antiracists" do -- you showcase the flaws of one or a small group and attribute it to the whole of the heritage community and every individual in it. Which makes you a colossal hypocrite and without the moral authority to do any criticism at all.

      When you out yourself -- identify yourself by name, location and image -- then you can complain about people using anonymous personalities, chump.

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    15. Your first mistake. Assuming I am "Antifa". If it eases your mind you can bend me into whatever shape you need to, so that I can fit whatever image you like.

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    16. I'm positive there are well intentioned Heritage folks. I've never said there were not.

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  2. Hot tip. Buy stock in companies that manufacture epoxy!

    http://atrueconfederate.blogspot.com/2015/10/just-say-no_14.html?m=1

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  3. Per Connie's request:


    "THE LEGISLATURE MAKES LAWS. NOT THE DMV. NOT THE GOVERNOR. The legislature has made no law mandating that those plates be turned in. He cannot be breaking a law that does not exist. If you think such a law exists, cite its address in the Virginia statutes. I don't mean a flippin' letter from the DMV. I mean a law duly passed by the legislature and signed by the governor that is now a part of the Virginia code. If you cannot do that, stop saying this man is breaking the law."


    ""§ 46.2-713. License plates and decals remain property of Department.
    Every license plate and decal issued by the Department shall remain the property of the Department and shall be subject to be revoked, cancelled, and repossessed by the Department at any time as provided in this title.

    Code 1950, § 46-98; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-102; 1972, c. 609; 1989, c. 727 ."

    http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter6/section46.2-713/"


    And to clarify, it's unclear if he's broken the law yet as we don't know what day his 30 day clock started ticking. In the end I think these types of people who will grandstand and spout all kinds of bluster will capitulate.

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    1. That is correct. I have not stated whether or not I agree with the law or do not. What I have stated is that he may be placing himself in a position where he will be seen as breaking the law. I've read that he was given until October 4, 2015 to return the States property. Assuming he did not, it would appear as though he may have committed a misdemeanor.

      Non-violent resistance can manifest itself as disobeying laws. It is a personal choice. The courts of law and public opinion will be the judge on his actions, not me. The point I was getting at is that to keep the old tags and refuse to accept the new ones is breaking the law. The tags never belong to you, by law they are and always were State property.

      As I said before, you do what you must. Perhaps this Gentleman and others like him will take a stand on their word, but in my opinion, it's kind of ridiculous. The Supreme Court decision in my opinion spells it out in no uncertain terms, the Federal and State Governments really have no business in promoting vanity tags. In my opinion, license plates should be just that, license plates, and I think the Justices are of the same opinion.

      As for his apparent belief that his actions are somehow honoring his ancestors, well, that's unfortunate. In my opinion, it just makes you look like clowns.

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  5. I like watching your tune change in comments from the one in the original post.

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